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I don't usually go in for the LJ-confessional style of writing, what [livejournal.com profile] rivka tags as "random self-disclosure." Nothing wrong with it; it's just not something I usually feel compelled to do. But this has been rattling around my head for some weeks now, so I suppose it wants to get out.

Diet-vendors aside, there seem to be two major health and weight camps out there. One, the "eat right and exercise" group. "Calories in, calories out" is the mantra, and it holds that if you eat healthily, and in reasonable portions, and exercise adequately, you will lose weight (if you are fat) and be healthy. Two, the "weight set point" group. They claim that everyone has a natural weight that we gravitate towards, and that any attempts to change it (say via exercise) will instead cause our metabolisms to compensate to maintain the setpoint weight. They don't diss exercise and healthy eating, and recognize disordered overeating as a problem, but are extremely weary of one's height and weight being used to diagnose the entirety of one's health.

My experience fits into neither category, which is frustrating as all hell.

I have always been fat. I remember, when I was five, my grandmother reassuring me that it was just "baby fat" and would go away. Later (I assume I was complaining about being fat) she told me you were only fat if you could "pinch an inch." When I demonstrated that I could, she tried to amend it ("on your side, not your tummy") but I wasn't having it.

I never dieted, all through high school and college. I steadily gained about 5 lbs a year (I thought at the time "getting fatter," now I tend to think "growing"), except the year I worked in an ice cream parlor. I lost 5 lbs because I wasn't sitting on my duff all afternoon.

Oh yes; I was very sedentary. I have excellent coordination from my wrists to my fingertips; the rest is a mess. Our gym teacher said she couldn't understand why anyone would pay for a gym membership when they could join a rec league; lady, it's because some of us suck at all sports and hate them. So I avoided them. My bicycle was something to ride from necessity, not for pleasure. I didn't like to go fast, I couldn't go up hills - it was an exercise in shame more than anything else, to go out on my bike with my sister and her friend.

College; more of the same. I took a weight training class and worked out for a few months; that fell apart at midterms. I tried a step dancing class; fell apart when I got so far behind the group that I was practically in tears after each stumble-footed class. I wanted to try SCA fencing; no car on campus, no nearby local practice, nothing came of it. I tried to eat as well as I could, but come on - college cafeteria food. I put on another 20 lbs in five years.

Grad school! My own place, my own kitchen. Out with the junk food: no chips, no cookies, no ice cream were kept in the house. Reasonable portions! Fresh vegetables! I'm eating healthy, right? Better than in college! So I should lose some weight, right?

Nope. On the other hand, I didn't gain much either, for 3 years. Then my mother got sick and died, and I put on ten pounds through stress eating.

Now, by set point weight theory, this ten pounds should have come off when I stopped stress eating. But it didn't. Neither did it come off when I started biking to school. Or when I joined Curves, 30 min a day, 4 days a week. Nor did it when I joined a real gym, with a personal trainer, 60 min a day, 3 days a week, plus another 30 min on a fourth day.

I was mad. I was eating well. I'd even gone to a nutritionist who confirmed this for me. I was exercising - with results. I could lift more and more weight each week, and go farther and farther on the elliptical in my 30 min run. My weight? Did not budge. Even the trainer was mystified. Of course, you can attribute some of it to "muscle is heavier than fat," but come on. I was 170 lbs, and it was not all transmuting to muscle. The "eat right and exercise" formula wasn't working.

So, for the first time in my life, I went on a diet. First, it was an 1800 calorie-a-day diet. I made a spreadsheet listing the caloric content of foods I commonly ate, down to the milk in my morning coffee and the pat of butter on my vegetables at dinner. I scheduled five small meals per day. It was actually not bad - on 1800 calories, I usually wasn't hungry at all.

But I wasn't losing weight. Even with my workout schedule. So I cut it back to 1500 calories a day.

Go and ask a naturally thin person if they make spreadsheet of what they are going to eat that day, if they know that an egg has 70 calories and a large orange around 80. One tablespoon of fat - butter or olive oil, doesn't matter - is 100. Thirteen baby carrots in a serving, 30 - or was it 35? - calories.

Normal people do not eat like this.

Check out the Minnesota Starvation Study. Hot damn, yes. Hungry all the time, fixated on food. It's no way to live. Although I think I did lose a pound or two.

Anyway, then we moved. I couldn't make it easily to the University gym and was finishing my dissertation, so I stress-ate my way to another 10 lbs. I eventually joined a new gym and started working out again. My weight started to creep up again, and for the first time, I felt physically fat - that my body was too big for my frame. I was getting in my own way. I signed up for a boxing class, was in the gym for 60-90 minutes a day, 4 days a week, and finally dropped... 2 pounds.

Then I got pregnant.

I stayed within the recommended weight gain for an overweight woman. To my astonishment, I got all kinds of mad compliments for this, commending my self-restraint and willpower. What? My first trimester, I was too queasy to eat. And after that, I never got the second-trimester appetite you hear about. I just ate normally.

And afterwards, when I shed my pregnancy weight within weeks and then lost twenty-five pounds over several months? I was doing nothing out of the ordinary, except breast-feeding. No gym. I ate more than when I was pregnant, for pity's sake. The weight just came off. Again with the compliments for something that I had nothing to do with. This, it seemed, was how the weight set point thing was supposed to work. Maybe pregnancy and nursing was the metabolic kick I needed to get it going? But why didn't all that time in the gym do jack or shit for it?

So here we are. The weight is starting to come back - I suspect this has to do with my closer proximity of and patronage at a McDonald's (mmm, steak McSkillet Burrito). I'm not working out, although I'd like to be - I actually enjoy it, you see, and the additional strength it gives me and the pride I take in that. Also because, whether or not it makes me any skinnier, there are definite health benefits to exercise, and I want them.

I am about ready to give up on controlling my weight. If I were to embark upon a Basic Training-like regime of physical fitness, surely something could be done. But I don't have the hours a day to devote to that. I can control what I eat, and make sure that it is good for me. I can get an RDA of exercise to make up for my sedentary job and hobbies. Hopefully, those things together will make me healthier and more energetic. But more slender? I doubt it. Insanity, they say, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Date: 2008-02-12 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aemccurry.livejournal.com
Are you sure we're not related? :-) I'm fairly happy with Curves at this point, especially with the new computer thingummies that push you to work harder each time, but I feel like it's not enough. I'm probably still going to have to buy a dress for Sarah's wedding, I don't think I will slim down enough for the one I have. I can make excuses all day - winter is keeping me from walking as much, my jobs are mostly sedentary... I'm eating better but not as well as I should. I love sweets too much. I stress eat. A lot.

With me at least, a lot of it I think will be adjusting my attitude. No, I'm not going to drop two dress sizes in a week. I don't -look- like I'm losing any girth, but the tape measure says I am, a little. I also know to pretty much ignore the BMI numbers.

Are there little things you can do? I know you live in a tall townhouse, maybe an extra trip or two up the stairs every day? How about work, are there enough floors that you could take stairs instead of elevators? (Doesn't work in a one-story building, I know.) When the weather is nicer, are there sidewalks that you can take Spud out for some air? Silly as it sounds, every little thing helps.

Hmm, the harp marching band. That could be fun.

Date: 2008-02-12 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telerib.livejournal.com
Curves did bupkiss for me. Although I can work out anaerobically til the cows come home, it takes almost no effort for me to leap through the aerobic zone. (I assume Curves still has you take your pulse every 5 or 10 minutes?) I would spend my time on the jogging pad literally shuffling my weight back and forth, barely moving my feet, to get my heartrate in the zone they wanted it in. And the resistance machines were just not giving me enough resistance. (One thing I do love about my body - it is stronger than it looks.)

But I do know people (honestly, mostly older people) who love it, and it being nearby is nothing to sneeze at. I was able to build and maintain a fitness habit because it was on my way home from work.

Taking the Spud out for walks is definitely on my list. He and I love it. My boxing instructor introduced me to the wonderful world of calisthenics, which I don't need a gym for. I *do* need 30-60 minutes a day to do them and the walking, though. Possibly my lunch break - there's a small gym here on base. Once I'm at home, forget it.

nutrition, BMI and weight

Date: 2008-02-12 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoesca.livejournal.com
You are not alone. I don't know if you are aware of this, but I'm currently pursuing a degree in nutrition. I have to ask- have you been checked for food allergies and hormonal problems? Both can be sneaky weight contributors, and the symptoms can be so minor that you might not even recognize them.

The BMI is a very general guideline for an average person. If you have large breasts, or any other not 'average' body characteristics, the BMI will probably not tell you what's healthiest for you (my BMI said I was obese when I could count my ribs, lol). There are other tests that can be done that are more tailored, but they tend to be much more expensive than the calculator, scale and tape measure needed to calculate BMI. In case you're curious, the BMI formula is (25kg)/(meter squared).

As for eating more while breastfeeding than while pregnant, according to our class last night, you are actually supposed to increase caloric intake by about 500 Calories/day when breastfeeding.

Most of the people I know who have been successful with losing weight and maintaining it did so by pursuing health gains rather than weight loss. I have my theories on the why/how of all this, but I won't get into that here, I'll save that for a research project, lol. There's one thing I've seen a lot of people find helpful, though- the buddy system. Find someone with similar goals and you can lean on (and/or compete with) each other. Anyway, good luck!

Re: nutrition, BMI and weight

Date: 2008-02-12 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] telerib.livejournal.com
Food allergies and hormonal problems: no, I haven't. What kind of symptoms?

BMI: Oh, I'm very familiar with the BMI, and virtually everything I've read has convinced me it's no more accurate than the old actuary tables it replaced. :p

Breastfeeding: Yes, they told me that, so I wasn't too concerned when I wanted to eat ice cream. :) But I'd stopped counting every calorie I ate by then, so I'm not sure how well I did at that. I have a feeling some of the weight loss may have come from there (but it also plateaued after 4 months or so, so... ?)

Health: Actually, all of this I did primarily for health reasons. My maternal grandmother died of colorectal cancer at 50, and my mother of uterine cancer of the colon (it was weird) at 51. I figure I have an excellent chance of fighting the disease myself in 20 years, so I decided after my mother passed to start training for that fight now. But I'd be lying if didn't admit that I also hoped for some weight loss. After all, "all you need to do to lose weight is eat right and exercise!" So if I was doing both, I'd get the benefit of losing weight, right? Right?

So now I figure I'll just do it for the health, and screw the weight entirely. I'll probably keep my scale just so I can see from the body composition reading if I'm putting on muscle.

Re: nutrition, BMI and weight

Date: 2008-02-13 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoesca.livejournal.com
The symptoms vary greatly depending on the specifics, but could be as simple as some moodiness or a little discomfort- just some tiredness and fatigue for hormones or a tendency toward gas and bloating for food allergies. The problem with some of the food allergies is that they may be to something a person has had in their diet for so long that they don't recognize what it feels like not to have the symptoms. If your medical doesn't cover food allergy testing, you might be able to figure it out on your own. Keep a log of everything you eat/drink (don't worry so much about quantities), the time it was eaten, and any physical discomfort or negative emotionality for a week or so. You might be able to pinpoint a trend.

I know the lack of weight loss can be frustrating, I've been struggling with it for years myself. For many of us, the eat right & exercise route just doesn't do the trick. When that's the case, though, it's often a sign that there's a problem. A couple of other weight saboteurs are sleep deprivation and not drinking enough water (should be about half your weight in ounces per day; ie. a 150 lb person should drink about 75 ounces of water per day).

Date: 2008-02-12 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hiddenshoe.livejournal.com
Hmm, this is weird indeed. I'd say to continue to exercise at least twice a week, to keep your muscles. Other than that, if you are avoiding junk foods, and eating when hungry, try not to stress yourself out about the rest.

*hugs*

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